Nngerman gun makers marks and proof marks books

Proof masters in london and birmingham can be contacted at the addresses below. The following information comes from the book of the pistol and revolver by hugh b. Any body have a good site for identifying ar15 upper receivers and barrels. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre1945 manufacture.

International commission for the proof of small arms c. The proof master the gun barrel proof house banbury street birmingham b5 5rh united kingdom. Proof mark circa proof house type of proof and gun since 1950 e. Books for arms collectors 242020 military manuals 122020 books on military history.

Since my gun is in the 100xxx serial range, does this mean this gun was an export or a war reparations gun. It is the perfect reference for discerning collectors to take with them to gun shows and auctions. Normally plaved between viewmark and definitive proof mark. Proof marks ballistics bev fitchetts guns magazine. I am also posting this in the knifemakers shop talk forum. I have a repro hawkins that was given to me, that requires some rework, does any one know who made the gun, on the barrel it has a capital i with a box around it. Alteration to or the forging of proof marks is a more serious offence. They tell you time of make, origin,bore diameter,barrel weight,chamber length, smokeless powder proof and many more if you want to know i am at your serves. Proof marks are usually found on the underside of the barrels, and if a gun has german proof marks and was made in 1892 or later, you know that the gun was proof tested in germany. The receiver is the part of the gun considered the frame or the body of the gun itself.

Gun barrel and receiver codes, markings and proof marks. Guns made to order by some factories and the smaller. When it comes to proof marks, something not shown in the books always shows. There are a number of reference books that display proof marks and their. The shield shape in the first pic is the modern mark for leige in belgium and in the last pic it appears to be a stamp for superior proof not english make and nitro proof but a mix of european and english marks is a bit strange. For corroboration, crossreference with the proof house controllers mark. This is the mark of the proof house where the gun underwent proof.

Prices of german factory made guns are in general higher than equal models in the united states but usually offer more custom features. Sample photos of their layouts are at the bottom of the page. Yes almost every gun has these marks on the gun and more marks. Serial numbers of lugers issued to german agents in the united states 191916 volume one. Spanish proofmarks and info the firearms forum the. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service the drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information. Todays gun makers, engravers and dealers of german hunting guns most of the traditional boltaction rifles and combination guns are still made today, but the following changes and trends are apparent. F the rules, regulations and scales now in force under the principal act are the rules, regulations and scales which were approved by. Ok, i posted this in another forum but i didnt get a response so im going to post here. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. It should be borne in mind that all countries have made changes in their proof marks from time to time and it is not practical to include within these pages all the proof marks that have been used over many years. The book of the pistol and revolver is also available to purchase in print it is unfortunate from the point of view of history that weapons were not marked with a date letter as is customary with silver hallmarks, but the proofmarks stamped upon arms give no indication of the period of proof. Luger proofacceptance mark identification guide 18981945 this is one of a series of identification guides for small arms. Leonardo antaris, astra automatic pistols, has some good, though incomplete, material on spanish proofs.

Theyd be proof marks from the factory not necessary makers marks. Can anyone direct me to a site that displays the proof marks from the birmingham proof houseor a publication. Rifle bedding, barrel work, stock replacement and other ways to improve your firearms. Proof marks comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. Proof mark circa proof house type of proof and gun. Westley richards double guns, double rifles, magazine rifles, gun cases, rifle scopes, other leather accessories, gun accessories, knives, shoes, books, ammunition, etc.

Proof marks, codes and markings on gun barrels and receivers proof marks, codes. Anyone collecting european firearms needs this book to answer many questions about the guns they own. The proof master the proof house 48 commercial road london e1 1lp united kingdom. Brimingham proof marks the firearms forum the buying.

I work in a gun shop and i consider myself reasonably familiar with european proof marks german ones in particular. I contacted tc customer support and after being transferred several times i was told that he didnt know what proof marks were, perhaps they tc knows them by another term. I have seen other colts that have larger proof marks similar to the above and also caliber and ton. Proof marks are stamps applied to various parts of a weapon during and after manufacture to show that the weapon is safe for use with the ammunition for which it was designed in england, the london and birmingham proof houses were established in 1637 and 18, respectively by royal charter to protect the public from the sale of unsafe weapons. Completely updated and expanded, this new edition of the official guide to gunmarks identifies manufacturers marks that appear on american and foreign pistols, rifles, and shotguns. Porcelain plates, antique dolls, steins german beer mugs with lids, glassware, flatware, silverware and guns all have distinctive markings and manufacturers. It would really be great if we could get as many makers marks of knifemakers that have passed away, or quit making knives, as possible. A proof test is a form of stress test to demonstrate the fitness of a loadbearing structure. A complete reference offering new, important features.

When we checked the marks in a publication my colleague had it said it was a proof mark for semi smokeless powder. In firearm terminology, a proof test is a test wherein a deliberately. It came up in conversation whilst inspecting an old english ss, which showed what i considered basic black powder proof marks. Above the rest guns knifes and everything else, our customer service is above reproach and our collection is from. Gerhard wirnsberger, the standard directory of proof marks translated by r.

Steindler has a lot of material, if you have the fortitude and energy to dig it out. The examiner must rely on proof marks when trying to identify these firearms. It was brought about by reputable gun makers in order to establish the safety and integrity of the firearms concerned, thus. I have a colt 1902 made in 1904 that has very small crown over v marks on the left side of the slide and frame and small crown over v and crown over cp. Need help with proof marks need help with proof marks.

Based on the proof mark thread, an 1894 gun made in 1915 should have the wp proof on both the receiver and barrel, so have to assume this is a replacement barrel. The proof marks shown below will assist in determining nationality of manufacturers. Collectors who spend enough time around european firearms will often notice that the guns are littered with a variety of odd markings, letters, and other stamps that seem like some sort of secret code language from another world. It is also marked rfv104 reichs finanz verwaltung 104, is this the german finance ministry from the weimar republic. Army and other security corps are reported to the police.

Luger proofacceptance mark identification guide 18981945. Previous reciprocal agreement continues with the republic of ireland as it is not a member of the c. German, suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 e. Amongst proof marks are codes enabling one to determine the date of manufacture of many guns. I have recently aquired a nice old single barrel shotgun, i think it is spanish and can find various proof marks on the barrel. I have not been able to locate an authoritative resource for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many individual armorers and inspectors used. Just wondering about the other marks on the underside and whether those are fakes or come from the factory. The proof and testing of firearms birmingham gun barrel. A reference work on gun marks is, therefore, of great use to collectors, provided that it is correct in details, easy to. I have my greatgreat grandfathers double barrel side by side.

For example, this means that a gun with belgian proof marks can be sold in the uk without being reproofed because belgium is a cip member. The law concerning proof marks is designed to stimulate domestic arms makers and make them more competitive in the export market. Proof the testfiring of a gun with an extraheavy load, at an official establishment, to verify the safety of a gun, which is then marked with formal stamps showing, among other things, the loads for which it is intended. I am confused about how the british proofmarked guns not made in england. This is no assurance however, that all components of the guns where made in germany, the gun making center in liege in belgium was known for the good quality of. The official guide to gunmarks enables collectors to overcome the difficulties of determining makers marks and proof marks, pointing out which marks make a firearm valuable and rare, and how to spot fakes and forgeries. Rules, regulations and scales, birmingham proof house. As to the placement of proof house symbols, it depends upon the model of gun, and the level of embellishment, symbol year of proof symbol year of proof symbol year of proof x 1954 xx7 1971 at 1988 xi 1955 xx8 1972 au 1989 xii 1956 xx9 1973 az 1990 xiii 1957 xxx 1974 ba 1991 xiv 1958 aa 1975 bb 1992 xv. Information courtesy of the blue book of gun values by s. The barrel housing is marked with the crown over np, again from london, as a proof for smokeless powder. When i removed the barrel i observed that there are no proof marks just the letter m stamped on the underside of the barrel.

Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. Barrel proof marks winchester rifles forumwinchester. The first and last names could be that of a maker, a dealer, a gun factory, a wholesaler, an importer or an exporter. Army and other security corps are reported to the police headquarters, even though such reporting is not required by the national laws. A single letter, either roman or greek, upper or lower case, underlined or not. The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may. I checked all my reference books and can find no reference to this. These include the date, serial number and property marks as well as various acceptance and proof marks. This is going to be a huge endeavor, but it is one that the ckca would be willing to undertake if they can get enough support to make it worthwhile. Then you can start reading kindle books on your smartphone, tablet, or computer no kindle device required. Proof marks 2403 the proof marks shown below will assist in determining nationality of manufacturers when no other markings are evident. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the state or city. For example, on old remington gun made with wooden buttstocks, there are old screws that are sometimes marked with makers marks or symbols used by the company as a mark.

The first is the provisional gardone proof, consisting of a star sur. As to the placement of proof house symbols, it depends upon the model of gun, and the level of embellishment, the latter often dictating a discrete location on the underside of the barrel or frame on highly engraved examples. Guns and rifle makers abebooks shop for books, art. Introduction to proof marks and other firearms identification 1880. Manufacturing marks are key to providing proof of authenticity to any collector of antique items made in germany. It will tell you the era when the gun was made and. Proof markscomparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. I have identified two from info on the web one appears to be crossed muskets1923 eibar final black powder proof and the other is a shield with crossed muskets1929 eibar admission proof for for gunswith old marks. In today s times it seems like everybody and their brother is making ar15 parts, but in reality arent they all still being made in a few. The standard directory of proof marks book is my favorite although it has the least.

How to find markings on antique gun parts gone outdoors. However, as the us has no federated proof system and american makers conduct their own proof tests, us guns must be proofed on arrival in the uk, because the us is not a cip member. How to identify german manufacturing marks our pastimes. It is an actual bound listing of new and used firearms that are for. The present law on the subject is to be found in the gun barrel proof acts 1868, 1950 and 1978 and various rules of proof, but particularly those of 1925, 1954, 1986 and 2006 when the metric system of measurement was introduced.